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ana and jenni

we have NEVER charged you for anything...and never will. we are not connected in any way to jenni's
or ana's sites, except we offered them a full motion steam on our site, free to the viewers. since jenni is
never on cam and we paid her (since she was worried about losing viewers and memebership $$) we
decided to sever relationships. As for ana wanting to charge (so i hear through the grapevine)...that
won't happen. that was not the agreement between us and her..we paid her to make up for her
memberships too...
we are not about fucking you over. talk to ana and jenni about charging..not us.

i hear there are posts about censorship? what the hell? we let ana do whatever she wants. we do nothing but offer you a FREE live stream on our site.

im tired of all the threatening emails. all i do is live and share my life with my viewers. so leave me the hell alone.


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Aug. 20th, 2000 01:51 pm (UTC)
you both have cool sites
If it helps any, I've been visiting both this site and ana's site for a while. I think both sites are very cool, and I'm sorry to see that ana's not going to keep a stream here anymore. From what I've seen, it all seems like a misunderstanding, but life will go on. I think Ana will lose a lot of viewers who found her on hereandnow and have no intention of paying to see her at her site.

And Lisa, keep up the great work. You're inspiring.

Aug. 20th, 2000 02:14 pm (UTC)
lisa, u wonder how rumours get started.

you just started one NOW!!
i NEVER EVER EVER had the intention to ever charge for YOUR stream. never said that to anyone, to you, to erik, to MYSELF!

how could i charge people for your stream? that's ridiculous! of COURSE i loved that people could view it for "free"
i was very very happy with the set up. i am glad for that one month that i actually got paid. it was wonderful. i am sorry to see such a wonderful thing go. but DAMN, what erik did to me, which was to totally DISRESPECT me by posting misinformation about me on jenni's bbs and newsgroup, then not apologizing for it. then TOTALLY blowing me off for DAYS and DAYS during this. then he finally sent me an email saying he would call me yesterday. i stayed home ALL frigging day for that phone call that never did come.

now he says he didn't call cause he wasn't violently ill. YOU say on your site that it looks like he went to strip bars all night long. hmmm.

even if he was violently ill, he could have emailed me saying that he was violently ill. it's just all so unprofessional.

but more than that i am just HURT because i thought he was my FRIEND. but he has turned out to be a very noncommunicative asshole who seems to be capable of doing some very stupid things when he gets stressed out.

ALL he would have had to do is say he was SORRY. but he didn't. all he did was blow me off more.

plus just LYING about stuff. like being in charity's chatroom the night of the whole big jenni thing and telling my friend kaela and stacy other people that he was talking to me on the phone all the time when that just WASN'T the case. even telling them that he had just been recently on the phone with me ( for a second time ) about me coming to visit u in new orleans..when that was NOT THE CASE.

it just BLOWS ME AWAY.

i feel so utterly betrayed and totally dissed and totally disrespected by him.

i really really loved and appreciated the fun two months i had on hereandnow. i infinitely appreciated the 5 grand that i got and i put it to good use. i wish it could have gone on longer.

but the bottom line is, i just don't trust him anymore. and i feel really really sad about that.

and just to let u know lisa, i am not mad at YOU. i like u very much. i wish we would've gotten to hang out more.
i also do not like to see when here and now is wronged for things that are not true. and i have always defended here and now whenever i saw injustice against "it"

it is CRAZY how fast things get distorted. as u can see...the MORE info u give out , the MORE disinformation starts going. it's just impossible to combat..yet i continue to do u

---ana voog
Aug. 20th, 2000 02:14 pm (UTC)
and for those of u who want 2 know what i posted on my livejournal about this but are too lazy to click in a new url (, here it is:
i have discontinued the streaming with hereandnow because:

i am not satisfied with their communication skills or business practices.

a NEW FORM of streaming video WILL be continued at very soon, perhaps.

and no, i did not stop the streaming at hereandnow so i could then charge for it. if someone has an offer that would alllow me to do streaming and audio for "free" in the manner i was capable of on hereandnow, please let me know. i open open to offers.

here is something i wrote in reply to artvamp..and i decided to post it up here so because thsi explains it better as to why i left.

re: hereandnow, a LOT goes on "behind the scenes" in negotiating. or maybe in this case i should say "nonnegotiating", since erik rarely gets back to me on anything or return my phone calls...his phone is even disconnected and he didn't even tell me what the new number was...if there IS a new number.
plus his posting of misinformation about my finances in the jennicam bbs and newsgroup and not even apologizing for it.
and i have not received a signable contract from him yet. he sent me the first draft ...then i wrote him back what i would like changed on it. then, that's the last i heard of that until he told me that he won't pay me this month until i sign a contract.
he promised me that he would call me yesterday about all of this, and i waited around ALL day for a phone call. and he didn't call.
that was the last straw.

and that is SOME things that are wrong. the list goes on and on and on. i am so utterly disapointed and i feel he has really dissed me not only as a business partner, but more importantly, as a friend.

ana voog

Aug. 20th, 2000 02:52 pm (UTC)
Re: rumours
I just read through the entire log of that night when he came in to my chatroom to admit he did that post on his own free will. No place on that log did it say that he was on the telephone with you. I have sent you the entire log of that evening and check your inbox for it.

My point all along is, people spread rumours and don't believe it from secondary sources. Just as the irc room and Erik supposidly saying that he was on the telephone with you. I just read through the log of that evening and didn't see it on there at all. That is what causes hurt feelings and such. The spreading of untruths and believing them. Now I know you were not in there so you only have Kaelas word do go on. Maybe he came in to analove after my chatroom and talked to Kaela and Stacy, I don't know. But, it he didn't say that in my chatroom. That is why I have forwarded on the log from the chatroom. As far as private messaging Erik, I tried and you can't, Courtney tried and she couldn't, it shows it on the log so if he "spoke in private" while on irc, it was not possible.
Aug. 20th, 2000 03:11 pm (UTC)
Re: rumours
All i say is what i have heard from erik.

i can only assume everyone is telling the truth.

Maybe ana and i should go to italy for a week and come back and start over.

/me buys the tickets
Aug. 21st, 2000 10:11 am (UTC)
Re: rumours
Never assume anything is the truth. Things get too misconscrued especially here.

Do we have to send you poems in Italian for the bath in.... what's the name of that fountain anyway?

You look AWFUL today, Lisa. Hope you get better soon.
Aug. 29th, 2000 04:37 pm (UTC)
Re: rumours
Hey why don't the two of you go to the French Riveria and send us back pictures. I'm sure all of your viewers would have no problem with that. Round trip tickets are only about $600 right now.
Aug. 21st, 2000 08:52 am (UTC)
As a viewer of here-and-now I enjoyed ana's site along with Lisa's bath tub segments. It's too bad money has once again distroyed a relationship and a service we I-net viewers enjoy. I hope things work out and Ana's site will return to Here & Now. I could care less about Jenni's site she seems to have gone too commercial "she wants the member $$$ but is never on, almost as bad as cable TV. Keep talking hope things work out!
Aug. 20th, 2000 02:15 pm (UTC)
i think you read too much into my post...
all i said was i didn't know what kind of financial arrangment you had... and the restrictions i was refering to were the sex on cam restrictions and nothing else.... so i'm not spreading any rumours nor bad mouthing you... in fact i like and i like you too... i've been watching hereandnow for like 2 years... i just don't think that ana fits into your site... you can appreciate that can't you... i think jennifer fits into what you all are about more... that's just mho... nothing more nothing less... i'm sorry if you felt like i was bashing you... i even added you to my friends list...
Aug. 20th, 2000 03:07 pm (UTC)
Re: i think you read too much into my post...
like i emailed ana,
i feel caught in the middle.
i have recieved so many negative emails to something i knew nothing at all about.

i work hard to make here and now fun. it makes me so sad to see all this..and i can do nothing about it. its like an orchestra...when the clarinetist fucks up, people say the whole orchestra is bad.
so,of course i take it hard.

as far as i know..nothing was censored on ana's stream. ive even had sex on cam twice. i just dont feel comfy doing it. so, i dont. thats not up for public viewing.

/me is sad
Aug. 20th, 2000 03:54 pm (UTC)
Re: i think you read too much into my post...
> i have recieved so many negative emails to
> something i knew nothing at all about.

Operative phrase here, "something I knew nothing at all about". And yet you have posted SEVERAL comments to Ana's journal recently, dissing other people and indicating that Ana doesn't know what the fuck is going on, and just generally acting like you are on a management level with Erik and a player in all corporate decisions.

That's just plain WRONG.

In Ana's journal you, yourself, indicated that you are paid very little -- do you REALLY think you are more than a low level flunky in Erik's mind?

I'm not trying to dis YOU, I'm just suggesting you wake up and stop smearing even MORE of Erik's crap around the place.

HereandNow has lost it's two biggest draws (sorry, but no one knew who YOU were before this -- can't say that about Jenni and Ana). Better get that life vest on, because the boat will sink FAST now...
Aug. 21st, 2000 08:53 am (UTC)
Re: i think you read too much into my post...
The operative word seems to be emails. Supposing YOU were a feature of a web site (not management, but the site is about you and one or two others) and you started getting nasty emails that should have been directed at the owner of the site, if at all. Would you fight a major email war with all of these people? or just post in the one place that they hang out? Neither is good but I can understand the emotions on BOTH sides. It would have been much nicer for Erik to deal with this, but apparently Lisa got involved. I honestly don't know what preceded what: the emails or Lisa's postings. It's two early in the morning to play Inspector Gadget. This is between Ana and Erik and Ana gave us an explanation of why the stream is down. This, to me is something the two sites need to work out amongst themselves, IMHO, without the need for fighting in the streets. If this point really upsets you, email Lisa and ask which came first, the emails or the posts. I just wish we could be a nice happy family.
Aug. 21st, 2000 11:01 pm (UTC)
Re: i think you read too much into my post...
i didnt post anything until i got a ton of emails dissing me...
i have no reason to start wars.
Aug. 21st, 2000 11:13 pm (UTC)
Re: i think you read too much into my post...
Lisa, please go back to bed. You're making yourself worse. I'll bet your voice is weak. Put an icepack on or "you'll catch pnemonia" from that Strep throat.
Aug. 21st, 2000 10:59 pm (UTC)
Re: i think you read too much into my post...
i never claimed to be more than i was. there are few of here running this joint. i run the camera content. i know other things by what people tell me.

however, you dis me as being a nobody. I had plenty of fans before Ana or Jenni. I will not allow you to put me down as someone of no importance. I dont do this to be famous. I do it because I have a good time, generally...
i have things to say.
Aug. 20th, 2000 03:26 pm (UTC)
I have only be hooking up to here and now for about a month, so this may not carry any weight. But I enjoyed seeing Ana and Jenni. And I always enjoy Lisa. All three had their own unique qualities. Ana for creativity, Jenni for her openness, Lisa for being Lisa she has her own qualities. I hope this all get resolved, and I'm hoping to see you all again.
Aug. 20th, 2000 04:27 pm (UTC)
resolving differences
maybe posting messages to each other isn't the best way to resolve differences? It's easy to misinterpret each other. If you really want to resolve this, why don't you all get on a conference call with each other and work something out? I have a feeling everyone likes each other and is sorry for what's happening, but i have a feeling that it's getting more and more exacerbated the longer you try to resolve it in an indirect way, as you all seem to be doing :(

take care
Aug. 22nd, 2000 03:50 pm (UTC)
Re: resolving differences

That is so sensible and makes a lot of sense.

email is a really difficult way to communicate, especially when there are all these uninvolved unlookers throwing fuel into the flame.

this is Vera Little. i had to do the anonymous thing because I don't have a livejournal.

Aug. 20th, 2000 09:05 pm (UTC)
this is all just utterly fascinating. I hope it all blows over. but hey. i love you all no matter what. See ya in new york
Aug. 20th, 2000 11:39 pm (UTC)
I was the one who called you lame..and i still think so
Aug. 21st, 2000 09:08 am (UTC)
Calm Down, Please
Or I'm going to start writing more of my "famous" poems about all this and send them straight to your bath! I think what Ana was saying (I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong), is that if the contract between the two sites does NOT go, then she will have to work out her own streaming and she will need to recoup the financial cost of that services by putting it on ANA2, which costs us ten dollars a month which now irritates all the people who either can't afford it or who think it's not fun if they have to pay, or whatever. So, I don't think she was talking about the current stream that's on Here and Now.

I like H&N and wish you guys were there more often (maybe you need some Japanese Chin dogs to fill in while you are all out; you'd have a lot of dogsitters to watch them :)

Oh, Regarding the advertising: I know that what makes the web work, nothing is 'free' (definitely not the web; advertising seems to be everywhere) but at least I think it gets a bit much at times. It's hard to watch a stream when ads are flashing around the stream all the time. Since no one watching a stream would be even looking at ads at the same time, maybe something else could be done that would alow for more "hits" for the advertisers by increasing viewership with just different placement.


Aug. 21st, 2000 09:24 am (UTC)
I wonder what happened. It's to bad I like both of those sites. But Lisa I like yours better :-)
Aug. 21st, 2000 11:44 am (UTC)
The only problem I had was that Jenni had to censor her life on the stream (or so she said). Life censored is no life...
Aug. 21st, 2000 11:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Jenni
we never censored anyone
Aug. 21st, 2000 02:48 pm (UTC)
my 2 cents
I think everyone just needs a hug and a sit down for a little chat. Everything can be fixed or at least smoothed over with a little understanding.

I personally found H&N via anacam, but I come back to H&N several times a day (at work even) to see if anyones around etc. It was nice to have other folks guest cams but it wasn't my main draw. I also like the chat, but I can't always drop in.

As far as the whole mess, I don't know what the scoop is and honestly it's not my business. So I don't have anything to say except {{{hugs for everyone especially those who need them}}}

All I do know is, this is a cool place and a very new concept. As you know, anything new will have snags and snafus. Especially on the web, which as stated above -isn't- free.

I don't think many people (myself included) have a clue how much money it takes to run the kind of video we are seeing here for free.

(sorry for the anonymous thing, I didn't wanna go thru signing up a livejournal account to post this because I'd forget what I wanted to say.).

flow or flowtationdevice on H&N chat.
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